Request from Rabbis Reisman & Brudny

#1

Dear colleague,

At this point we assume that you are well acquainted with the recent events
regarding education in New York State. Rabbonim as well as lay leaders have
emphasized that Yeshiva-educated professionals play a large role in
addressing this issue. Towards this end, Rav Yisroel Reisman and Rav Elya
Brudny have personally appealed to us to ask our fellow professional
colleagues to read and formally sign the letter copied below.

We are humbly requesting you to read the letter below and, if you agree to
the content, reply to this email with your name and professional suffix
(e.g., Charles Chaim Neuhoff, PhD).

*It is not necessary to be a resident of NY State to sign this. *

In addition to signing the letter, we encourage you to forward this email
to professional colleagues and acquaintances.

Thank you so much,

Tali Arieff, LCSW
Shmuel Mandelman, PhD
Chaim Neuhoff, PhD

Dear Ms. Coughlin and the Honorable Members of the Board of Regents:

We, the undersigned men and women, are mental health professionals: we
serve as licensed psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers, and mental
health counselors. We are also graduates of yeshiva elementary and high
schools who believe that the skills, insights, values, and knowledge
imparted to us in those schools have served us well in our subsequent
academic and professional careers.

On the basis of our personal and professional experience, we consider the
current proposals by the New York State Education Department to restructure
and closely regulate yeshiva education ill-advised. These efforts, while
perhaps well-intentioned, are in fact based on a defamatory campaign of
misinformation against the yeshiva community. Yeshiva education has been
extensively caricatured in various media as having little academic,
economic, or social value.

In fact, the opposite is true. Different does not necessarily mean
inferior.

We implore you to consider our collective experience and the actual
attainments of yeshiva graduates. Our schooling provided us with the
knowledge and tools to succeed academically in college, graduate school,
and (in some cases) doctoral-level training. Accomplishments such as these
refute misguided claims that yeshivas provide inadequate academic
preparation for professional success. Furthermore, yeshiva education excels
in providing many soft skills that have directly contributed to our current
professional success. These include, but are not limited to, personal
discipline and diligence in study habits, high valuation of the pursuit of
knowledge, and a desire to strive for academic excellence. Yeshiva
education provides a particularly meaningful background for our chosen
field due to its focus upon the complexity, diversity, and subtlety of the
human condition.

As practicing mental health professionals who are educated in and compliant
with mandated reporting laws and possess extensive familiarity with
children and adults in the yeshiva community, we reject the outrageous
claim that parents who place their children in yeshiva are neglectful. We
decry the poor methodology of studies that have shown yeshiva education to
lead to negative outcomes; they do not meet the standards of validity or
peer review demanded by our professions and should certainly not be relied
upon by policymakers.

We strongly urge you to abandon this misguided attempt to subordinate
yeshivas to the officials and curricular prescriptions of the local public
schools, thereby disrupting the educational model that has served us so
well.

To do so is disrespectful towards and ignorant of our unique communal
culture. It is inimical to the interests of the very students you seek to
protect and to the goal of achieving a diverse and tolerant society.


Chaim Neuhoff, PhD
Psychologist, Gesher Yehuda
Adjunct Clinical Supervisor, Ferkauf Graduate School
Private Practice

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#2

Is this petition really appropriate for Nefesh, an organisation which is
i) international, and
ii) for mental health professionals?

While I have little knowledge of “the recent events regarding education in New York State”, from the petition these events do not appear to be directly relevant to mental health. Without wanting to sound too negative, I would have thought that the Yeshivas should be seeking support from alumni directly. I would question whether it is appropriate to use the mailing list of an international mental health organisation.

Chodesh Tov

Lipa

Dr Lipa Sireling
MB BS, LRCP MRCS, FRCPsych
Consultant psychiatrist
05 864 10108

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#3

When I read this, I feel conflicted and wonder what others think as well.
On the one hand, it is a dangerous matter for the government to be telling
us how to educate our children. We also know that K’aH many yeshiva
students, despite dual curriculum and long days hardly devoted to limmudei
chol, score high on standardized tests.

On the other hand, this legislative (OVER)reaction came as a result of some
yeshiva communities who were not providing any limmudei chol, or severely
compromised limmudei chol. And not just by chassidim. I am aware of one
middle of the road, typical litvish yeshiva high school were the teachers
give the children the answers to the regents, including wrong answers to
make it “realistic”. This to me is highly problematic in 2019.

I would not be comfortable signing such a letter unless it was more
contextualized, with statements such as “each community should be given
cultural autonomy is choosing how various arts and sciences are presented
without forcing a standard curriculum, yet we must come up with a system of
accountability to make sure that all children in each community receive a
proper education.”

Politics hates nuances and subtleties, so you kind just have to fight back
hard and I get that. Still I have concerns about ignoring the original
problem, that at least some young adults feel that they were deprived of
proper education and life skills.

what do others think?

Simcha Feuerman, LCSW-R

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#4

Judith Brilliant

NEFESH INTERNATIONAL MEADOWGLADE LISTSERVE

The regulations are not geared toward the yeshivas in which professionals have been educated. Many yeshivas provide stellar secular educations along with religious education. They more than meet education laws. The regulations are geared toward the Yeshivas that provide no secular education, where children barely learn English, reading or writing, math, any awareness of the country in which they live or employable skills. As such, I wholly agree with their implementation and I think these letters misrepresenting the issue.

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#5

I did not see any where in Chiam’s email that it should be signed by NEFESH.
If you do not agree with the letter, do not sign. That is your choice.
Should it have been sent out in the ListServ, that is up to the
administrators to decide.
I find it interesting that when it comes to vaccinations and government
involvement, attitudes are different at times…

Menachem Dubovick LCSW

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#6

I agree with Ms. Brilliant and do not believe that this is the purview of
Nefesh to be involved with as an organization. Many of us do not agree at
all with this letter and is a complete misrepresentation of what many of us
believe in as orthodox Jews, mental health professionals and Nefesh members.

Chaya

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#7

Hi

I am not knowledgeable enough about the intricacies of the issue or the
politics surrounding it to take sides on this issus.
I am concerned about the government over-stepping their authority at the
same time I can see that there needs to be improvement in certain schools
for how they teach secular studies. However, I would in any case not be
able to sign this letter without being untruthful.
In particular this paragraph (pasted below), based on the elementary school
and high school I attended (which I will not name) was not the case at all
for me.
I learned very little knowledge in school to prepare me for college, had to
get a GED before being accepted into college anywhere, and striving for
academic excellence was definitely not encouraged. Rather, the role of a
“bas melech” as being a mother, wife, sister, and daughter, etc… to tend
to children and housework as well as chesed outside the home, was glorified
and praised.
The main practical contribution my school education had for my career was
the strong focus on Shmiras Halashon. Obviously choosimg one’s words
carefully and having the self discipline to refrain from saying something
that is best unsaid is an excellent skill to have in this field especially
as it relates to boundaries within the therapeutic relationship as well as
maintaining confidentiality.

Respectfully,
Pessy Felsenburg LMSW
Recent NYU graduate

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#8

With deference to all of the sides of the issue here, I want to simply
point out that Dr. Neuhoff did NOT present the issue for NEFESH as an
organization, he offered the opportunity to heed the request of Rav Brudny
Shlita and Rav Reisman Shlita, (both of whom have regularly given us of
their valuable wisdomand time because they each value the contributions of
our field) that mental health professionals individually choose to sign or
not sing the petition. As the request stated:

"We are humbly requesting you to read the letter below and,
if you agree tothe content, (emphasis mine) reply to this email with
your name and professional suffix "

If you agree to the content (and many will), feel free to contact Chaim, if
not (and many will not) then do not.

While it is a charged issue, the framing of the issue seems to be one of
import to Jewish Orthodox mental health professionals insofar as the
petition is written from the perspective of mental health professionals who
are graduates of Yeshiva day and high schools and Bais Yaakovs and
seminaries.

Thank you Chaim for bringing the issue to this audience.

Respectfully,

(Rabbi) Jonathan Schwartz PsyD

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